tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2676591017018865408.post7496430420249326347..comments2024-03-28T17:00:25.774-04:00Comments on The Greedy Pinstripes: What To Do With Ivan Nova This OffseasonDaniel Burchhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04212584396848733519noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2676591017018865408.post-48628275739703247632015-09-21T16:33:08.443-04:002015-09-21T16:33:08.443-04:00And I said to you the body of work is not signific...And I said to you the body of work is not significant enough to determine that. I was at the game he got lit up like a candle. You need to pitch more than 10 games to determine the true identity of the pitcherKen Hanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08248552174229519871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2676591017018865408.post-17253160485666107292015-09-21T12:14:26.382-04:002015-09-21T12:14:26.382-04:00I already did when you asked me who I thought the ...I already did when you asked me who I thought the #2 on the staff was, Luis Severino. He's leading the staff in team ERA last I checked. Sure it's a small sample size.<br /><br />Also is that Warren's ERA as a starter or his total body of work? Dellin has an anemic ERA as a bullpen guy, his ERA as a starter in the minor leagues was atrocious. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10804643650522801129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2676591017018865408.post-59521903634891772372015-09-21T07:48:57.701-04:002015-09-21T07:48:57.701-04:00Warren is pitching to a 3.33 era, tell me Burch wh...Warren is pitching to a 3.33 era, tell me Burch who the next closest starter is on the Yankees?Ken Hanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08248552174229519871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2676591017018865408.post-74232058486961593902015-09-20T22:55:22.556-04:002015-09-20T22:55:22.556-04:00My guys never even thought of throwing anything bu...My guys never even thought of throwing anything but fastballs and Circle Changes. No stress on the arm at the young ages of 13/15 years of age...the older guys 16/18 were taught the curve so they had three pitches they knew how to throw. Some of them wanted to throw something more than 3 pitches and I would tell them, "When you have C&C of those three pitches we will look into more". The College Kids were harder to work with because they KNEW EVERYTHING! Yah, right!Ken Reedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07134936968221887101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2676591017018865408.post-69901467259350721592015-09-20T20:12:50.619-04:002015-09-20T20:12:50.619-04:00I agree with Hans, and said that somewhere in this...I agree with Hans, and said that somewhere in this crazy thread. The new meta in this era is to have a two-headed monster. Kershaw and Greinke are 1 and 1ADaniel Burchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04212584396848733519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2676591017018865408.post-65259312650212410652015-09-20T20:11:58.746-04:002015-09-20T20:11:58.746-04:00The good thing is you can compare his first half a...The good thing is you can compare his first half as a starter, he wasn't moved in and out then. His numbers still don't touch McHugh's in the same time span. That's what you fail to realize, you called Warren your #2... not me.Daniel Burchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04212584396848733519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2676591017018865408.post-47562002272891687982015-09-20T20:11:17.869-04:002015-09-20T20:11:17.869-04:00Both Dodgers studs are numbers ones in my eyes and...Both Dodgers studs are numbers ones in my eyes and both are proven. We can't say that about Tanaka. His consistency is what affects his status as a number true number oneKen Hanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08248552174229519871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2676591017018865408.post-21443636216151570572015-09-20T19:25:20.970-04:002015-09-20T19:25:20.970-04:00I'm going to be a nice guy and settle this arg...I'm going to be a nice guy and settle this argument for you guys. There is no such thing as a "number 2". A number 2 only applies to a team that has a number 1. Which is less than half the teams in baseball. So if less than half the teams in baseball have a number 1, then only half those teams even have a number 2. The only team that has a true number 1 and number 2 is the Dodgers. But aren't those guys both number 1's? Hmmmm, food for thought.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05687487174545518045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2676591017018865408.post-72880389701140088242015-09-20T14:12:06.526-04:002015-09-20T14:12:06.526-04:00Burch your comparing apples to oranges because War...Burch your comparing apples to oranges because Warren was moved in and out and in the rotation. You asked for a number two I gave it to you. Again you fail to realize who your best pitcher was before he was sent to the PEN.Ken Hanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08248552174229519871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2676591017018865408.post-51530572600618517192015-09-20T11:19:32.924-04:002015-09-20T11:19:32.924-04:00He didn't push the issue because he batted .22...He didn't push the issue because he batted .229 after he got sent down... which was less than Drew. Daniel Burchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04212584396848733519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2676591017018865408.post-82770080257046333412015-09-20T11:17:55.059-04:002015-09-20T11:17:55.059-04:00Those kids also weren't throwing breaking ball...Those kids also weren't throwing breaking balls and slider at 10 years old.. which can't help.Daniel Burchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04212584396848733519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2676591017018865408.post-66977546936021523142015-09-20T11:17:08.429-04:002015-09-20T11:17:08.429-04:00You said Warren is your #2 and Collin McHugh is a ...You said Warren is your #2 and Collin McHugh is a number two. Should I even bother comparing their stats to prove my point or would it be wasting my breathe?Daniel Burchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04212584396848733519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2676591017018865408.post-25907010499147049852015-09-20T01:07:16.253-04:002015-09-20T01:07:16.253-04:00Mitchell isn't ready and I would be surprised ...Mitchell isn't ready and I would be surprised if the kid saw the field again this year in a meaningful situation. WP as I have said and believe in my heart is Aaron Small which to me means that he won a great deal more games than he not only deserved but should have won<br /><br />I'm a broken record but consistent that this guy throws hard but straight and isn't the bill of goods we are shown. Has he improved...yes but by no means a number 2 or 3 or 4. No way. 5 yes but there is no way WP is better than Warren. <br /><br />Warren was our best pitcher when he got shafted again. You guys continue to have amnesia with that. This staff needs a true 1 or 1A which we won't get. Ken Hanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08248552174229519871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2676591017018865408.post-16193312161490004072015-09-19T16:32:24.141-04:002015-09-19T16:32:24.141-04:00Yup, the mound was higher and the pitcher was thro...Yup, the mound was higher and the pitcher was throwing down hill a bit more.Ken Reedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07134936968221887101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2676591017018865408.post-42425184483341346252015-09-19T16:29:30.270-04:002015-09-19T16:29:30.270-04:00Not really Ken, although I forgot to count in Pine...Not really Ken, although I forgot to count in Pineda...so yes Evo and CC are tied for the #3 starter. Both have a 5.7 innings per game.<br />One must consider the upside of pitchers over the innings pitched in this day and age.<br />Tank, Pineda, Evo are the top pitchers we have now...IF one goes by innings pitched.<br /><br />Going by the stuff they have and may have (Evo) I still think those three could go more innings IF pushed. Problem is, the first two are injury prone, so they will very seldom go over 6 innings (with pitch counts) whereas Evo (IF) he can improve his K.O. pitch or find one he could became the #3 pitcher or #4 depending on how Severino and Warren go. We also have Mitchell in the mix, along with CC but it is a good thing to have that many pitchers.Ken Reedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07134936968221887101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2676591017018865408.post-38059618821071544642015-09-19T16:01:02.569-04:002015-09-19T16:01:02.569-04:00I agree its a different game and the pitchers back...I agree its a different game and the pitchers back then threw more innings and no one came down with TJ injury. Ken Hanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08248552174229519871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2676591017018865408.post-64582946928888176372015-09-19T15:48:03.460-04:002015-09-19T15:48:03.460-04:00Here are some Number 1s I....
W. Hoyt-8.2 innings,...Here are some Number 1s I....<br />W. Hoyt-8.2 innings, R Ruffing, L. Gomez, R. Guidry, M. Stottlemyre, down to W. Ford-7.2 innings.<br />All of them were not only good pitchers but, very very good pitchers but, now the game has changed so much they would never pitch that many innings.<br />With the power guys throw with now, they wouldn't go any more innings back in those days as they do now...there are one or so exceptions!<br />Different game now as to those days for sure!Ken Reedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07134936968221887101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2676591017018865408.post-2620231491094871152015-09-19T15:10:18.239-04:002015-09-19T15:10:18.239-04:00Me think you are losing it Reed. Eovaldi is not a ...Me think you are losing it Reed. Eovaldi is not a number two on his best days. You're taking into account his win loss record and nothing else. The guy at his best is a five and Burch Warren is better than the water pistol and I believe you have it as the WP is your number 4 and Warren the 5Ken Hanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08248552174229519871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2676591017018865408.post-6782045999860382762015-09-19T14:57:58.007-04:002015-09-19T14:57:58.007-04:00Me thinks you guys have forgotten how the game is ...Me thinks you guys have forgotten how the game is played in this day and age!<br />Nobody goes 7+ innings anymore. Unless you want to count the #1 pitchers out there as #2s only Keuchel (Huston) is over 7 innings per a start...off the top of my head, there may be one or so more but I can't think of them.<br />The starters go 100+/- pitches and out, which makes it a 5/6 inning game for them.<br />So, with the Yankees the Number 2 pitcher is Evo...I think!<br /><br />The old timers would beat the hell out of most of these guys, they all (the good ones) went over 7 innings...most of the time.Ken Reedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07134936968221887101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2676591017018865408.post-63135284825440941422015-09-19T14:55:47.487-04:002015-09-19T14:55:47.487-04:00Collin McHugh is a number twoCollin McHugh is a number twoKen Hanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08248552174229519871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2676591017018865408.post-55270706913898160562015-09-19T14:16:22.618-04:002015-09-19T14:16:22.618-04:00Really Daniel? It had something to do with it, but...Really Daniel? It had something to do with it, but his attitude may have had something to do with his play also...maybe?<br />If it did play into his play, I don't want anything to do with him...trade him! His Ego overloaded his ass. Attitude problems don't just go away, they are the person.Ken Reedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07134936968221887101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2676591017018865408.post-45283196757318694712015-09-19T13:08:11.975-04:002015-09-19T13:08:11.975-04:00Let me ask again. Excluding Warren, who would you ...Let me ask again. Excluding Warren, who would you call a #2 IN THE LEAGUE?Daniel Burchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04212584396848733519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2676591017018865408.post-31300204350916196542015-09-18T21:08:55.473-04:002015-09-18T21:08:55.473-04:00There is no number two on this team at the present...There is no number two on this team at the present time. I'm looking at Warren as he was the most consistent pitcher on that staff until recently with Tanaka. Pineda isn't anything to write home about, CC is done and you already know my thoughts on the water pistol. Severino could be a 1/2 but he hasn't had enough starts to say anything except that the goods are there but he has to do it more than 6 games. This is what happens when you can't spend any money on something that is more than a happy meal in price and I'm not impressed with any of the other young pitchers whether they are starters or relievers. Not sold on Mitchell at all even before the injury. Throwing hard doesn't always equate to a good pitcher.Ken Hanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08248552174229519871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2676591017018865408.post-58547063707091071382015-09-18T18:28:31.245-04:002015-09-18T18:28:31.245-04:00Excluding Warren, who would you call a #2 in the l...Excluding Warren, who would you call a #2 in the league?Daniel Burchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04212584396848733519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2676591017018865408.post-56720185449972469322015-09-18T15:19:29.183-04:002015-09-18T15:19:29.183-04:00Severino can't be considered a number two as o...Severino can't be considered a number two as of now as the data is inconclusive. The pitcher that was the most consistent starter until having his chain pulled numerous times was Warren. Is he a number two in theory, probably not but theory doesn't come into play when it has to do with pitchers or athletes for that matter.Ken Hanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08248552174229519871noreply@blogger.com