Twitter Poll: if the yankees don't make the playoffs in 2015 who gets the ax? Girardi? Cashman? neither? Why? Will use answer in blog post!
— Greedy Pinstripes (@GreedyStripes) July 21, 2015
The New York Yankees are awfully good at keeping things
behind closed doors and away from the media which is why I don’t believe we
will see a sequel to the Bronx is Burning as long as I am alive. I used to
think that it was Derek Jeter or Joe Torre keeping everyone in line with the
“Yankee Way” but this has continued since both of their retirements so it must
be written into the stone used to build Yankee Stadium. Even though it hasn’t
been reported in the news or yelled from the top of the lungs of one certain
owner who is no longer with us, rest in peace George, I believe a discussion
has gone down with at least one of Joe Girardi and Brian Cashman regarding
their job securities beyond the 2015 season if the team does not make the
playoffs. So which one would go first, would it be Girardi who managed the
Yankees to a 2009 World Series Championship ring and has kept the team afloat
in many situations where he had no business doing so or is it Cashman who
bought the players that brought the 2009 ring? Sounds like the perfect question
for a Twitter poll.
— TheBronxBomber (@TheBronxBoxer) July 21, 2015
@GreedyStripes Neither, because George isn't running the team anymore.
— JT (@JabooNJ) July 21, 2015
@GreedyStripes Both should get the ax but my guess is Girardi will be the only one fired.
— Jill Poock (@ejpoock) July 21, 2015
@GreedyStripes Big G gets to stay but Cashman needs a change of scenery. He's the last connection to the old days and that sometimes shows
— Shaugn Watson (@TheWat1734) July 21, 2015
@GreedyStripes both. Neither should survive three straight seasons of no playoffs. Which at this point, hopefully does not happen.
— Michael Rokicki (@Michael_Rokicki) July 21, 2015
@GreedyStripes Neither, the yanks have been competitive, Girardi is seen with good eyes, and Cashman has created a farm out of thin air.
— Alvaro Molina (@a_molinam) July 21, 2015
@GreedyStripes it should be cashman, but it will be Girardi. Cashman may as well own the team is job is that safe.
— TheTriplePlay (@TheTriplePlay) July 21, 2015
@GreedyStripes hopefully neither
— Section 36 (@Section_36) July 21, 2015
@GreedyStripes if Cashman goes, Girardi won't be safe since the new GM wants to hire his own manager
— Kalind Patel (@NYCKNP) July 21, 2015
@GreedyStripes Neither of them. Cashman has lifetime immunity, and the organization will somehow make it seem like Girardi "overachieved."
— Steven Eareckson (@SEareckson) July 21, 2015
@GreedyStripes neither will, but if that happens Girardi should
— Robie Baker (@baker_fake) July 21, 2015
@GreedyStripes Girardi, bc Cashman is dedicated to the franchise. It's time for a playoff run. We have the talent, now we need a new manager
— New York Sports (@allsportsnewsny) July 21, 2015
@GreedyStripes Neither. Only ways they lose ALE are injury to key hitters/SPs or using CC's 6 IP vs 2nd worst MLB lineup to avoid upgrade.
— nyyankeefanforever (@nyyankeefanfore) July 21, 2015
@GreedyStripes Cashman I hope
— Yankees (50-41) (@Chris_Giraldo22) July 21, 2015
@GreedyStripes no one get fired. When the season started there were so many questions know one thought they were a playoff team.
— stumpy300 (@nyyankeefan300) July 21, 2015
Whenever we see situations like this it always seems to be
the manager that goes first, doesn’t it? Girardi manages every game where he
has a lead, no matter how big of a lead, like he will be fired after the game
is over if the team doesn’t hold on. We’ve seen Andrew Miller pitch with four
and five run leads, Dellin Betances enter into games earlier and earlier and
we’ve seen CC Sabathia and Nathan Eovaldi specifically being taken out of games
after just 80-85 pitches. Girardi is on the hot seat and I think he knows it.
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ReplyDelete"Alvaro Molina @a_molinam
@GreedyStripes Neither, the yanks have been competitive, Girardi is seen with good eyes, and Cashman has created a farm out of thin air."
Thank you Alvaro, for writing what is real and not what is perceived by the fans and many blogs.
Although when Cashman contract is up...he may not want to come back! But I have been saying that ever since the passing of King George.
Cashman worked to sign two Cuban players but, his hands were tied by the powers above by not giving him the FEW BUCKS more that he needed to make the deal. That is the story of a GM, he can only do what the management will allow of him.
Cashman didn't exactly create a farm system out of thin air, he smartened up and stopped trading anyone. I get what you're saying though, the farm is so much better than it was and a lot of that has to go with Cashman and the people he put in place as the man in charge.
DeleteNow on the other hand I don't agree with you. This elf had 10 plus years to develop a farm system and didn't do it. He must have pictures of Hal with sheep for him to keep his job
DeleteHe has, yes, but he has only been using the smart man philosophy to not trade every top prospect for three or four years. The last top prospect he traded was Montero and that was for Pineda.
DeleteMontero really wasn't a top prospect since he couldn't catch and had no position to play. Good stick which was a fit for Yankee Stadium and there goes the philosophy of the Yankees sensationalizing their prospects. Yes we got the better of that trade right now but lets not kid anyone that Pineda is Cy Young
DeleteBaseball America had him 6th overall before he was traded, http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/top-100-prospects/2012/2612998.html, and he was the Yankees top prospect, defensive worries and all.
DeleteTo me the guy was a by product of Yankee Stadium hitting wise. Very much a defensive liability and I'm sure you would agree the Yanks make their prospects out to be studs, yet they never make it to the majors with the Yanks. I see what your saying about trading away our alleged top prospects, however I'm going off of the Elf's history concerning the farm and it isn't very good to say the least
DeleteHe was only up hitting in Yankee Stadium for what, two weeks, before he was traded. I am not sure that had much to do with his prospect hype. He was definitely a defensive liability and was always destined to be a 25 year old DH with the team but was not only considered to be a stuf by the Yankees but by many around the league, deserved or not.
DeleteI'm far from defending Cashman because he hasn't handled the farm system well at all, I'm just saying.
Reed-I agree with you that Cashman has created a pretty good farm system in recent years, but don't give him too much credit here. The owner you are blaming allowed him to blow the top off of his international spending limit last year, which has added a lot of depth. The other reason Cashman is still to blame is that he's created this system, but the moron elf won't use it. I know all decisions are ran up the tree, but do you really think it was coupon clipper Hal that wanted to give Drew $5 million this offseason? I don't think so. More likely, it was Mr Moron Elf.
ReplyDeleteYou beat me to it Levin. A good farm system means nothing if you just keep it on the shelf and look at it while you're dusting. Cashman got the farm system where it is right now, with help of course, but Cashman also put the Carlos Beltran's, the Stephen Drew's, the Garrett Jones' etc. on the roster that is keeping these players in MiLB.
DeleteNeither will be fired unfortunately because Hal is all about the money. Hal doesn't want to pay for 2 GM's or 2 Mgr's with a few years remaining on their contracts. Girardi I believe has two years left as does Cashman. For those that think Cashman has produced a great farm system I will say this. It has been better this past year. It has been average to poor for many years and that is the one thing that the coupon clipper Hal has pointed out. Please people don't come at me with Newman and Oppenheimer as the cause of the problem because the Elf is the boss of the entire baseball operations and he knows everything that goes on.
ReplyDeleteYou want to look at a few successful farm systems, look at the Cards and the Giants and they have drafted low in the rounds like the Yanks. Cashman always overvalues his farm, and that is one of the reasons you never see anyone really make it out of the Yanks farm system. This team has now become all about the return on investment instead of what George did which was reinvest in the team which drove their value up.
To be fair, and yes I know this is nitpicking and yes I know that this is not a tell-all reason, the Cardinals have been at this for a longer time. They have been stockpiling the farm for a lot longer than the Yankees. New York is just now getting to the point, in my opinion, where they have talent in the upper levels that can help now and talent down below in the minors that can step up and move up. St. Louis has been doing that a lot longer and that's because they are smarter and run better.
DeleteAlso it's worth mentioning that the various restrictions in the new CBA were to hurt teams like the Yankees and help teams like the Cardinals. Before you scoff at that remember that the lottery picks or whatever that were specifically designed to give smaller market and smaller payroll teams an extra draft pick or two at the end of the first and second rounds had St. Louis picking at the top or near the top while New York would never be considered. There's other factors but it would sound like I was disagreeing with you too much and really I'm not, I just dont think it is as cut and dry or black and white and some.
Ok guys you are right, I give up trying to point out the obvious to you guys go buy what has happened not what someone says happen. Try the history of the farm system and why it has taken so long to get it up and going after Stick asked Cashman do follow what he did while The boss was suspended and left him in charge. Some so blind they can't see the truth! I give up trying , the last words!
ReplyDeleteOne must learn from history or not...your choice!
Burch you said the magic words that I have said for a long time. That St. Louis is smarter and better run. That's all I was trying to point out. Anyone can write a check, not everyone can build a farm system. The Roid Sux have a better farm system and they have won more WS in the last 12 years then the Yanks and they have picked near the bottom, however I do realize they also have picked at the top lately.
ReplyDeleteAnyone who thinks the Yankees are run better than St. Louis should be castrated :)
DeleteThey and maybe the Giants and Rays are as close to model organizations as they come. No one has been doing it longer than St. Louis though.
I agree with you Burch
ReplyDeleteLAUGHING...at myself....
ReplyDeleteRemember the replay, shown over, and over today ...of Alex scoring on Headly's
double, and tumbling over home plate, and again up the first base line ?
Kind of idiotic, right ?
Reminds me of myself, trying to latch onto my wife...after too many Coors Light.
Still laughing to myself.
You know patrick I could see that out of you, with or without the beer :)
DeleteStay well.
HOUSTON...obtained, via trade, Scott Kazmir today.
ReplyDeleteThat's fine, but they did it at a Dollar Store price.
Who was sleeping at the switch ?.....Tanaka, Pinada, Kazmir, Eovaldi....pick your poison for # 5.
Just bitching.
For their 19th best and 22nd best prospect.... That's two guys in the Yankees system most people never heard of. Disappointing.
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