tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2676591017018865408.post7231323129831552146..comments2024-03-28T17:00:25.774-04:00Comments on The Greedy Pinstripes: Comparing Nathan Eovaldi to Matt Harvey? Say What?Daniel Burchhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04212584396848733519noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2676591017018865408.post-89378339731516472432015-08-21T14:46:08.197-04:002015-08-21T14:46:08.197-04:00Everybody goes through a rough stretch from time t...Everybody goes through a rough stretch from time to time buddy. Let's just hope he gets hot again come October.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05687487174545518045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2676591017018865408.post-43566182774976970472015-08-21T14:27:03.164-04:002015-08-21T14:27:03.164-04:00I don't think there is ever going to be anothe...I don't think there is ever going to be another Ryan, the game has changed too much! He and Gibson could get away with brushing back a hitter, now days they all dive into pitches which would mean they would get a high hard one inside...but not anymore! Besides, they both had better second and third pitches than most of the hard throwers have now and most fans think it was only, speed, that made them very good. They were also tough and would do whatever it took to win.<br /><br />As for Evo becoming a #1 or #2 type pitcher, who knows? He has the start of becoming much better than he has been that is for sure. It depends on him, and how hard he will work to become a better pitcher. And just for you fans edification, the Avg innings pitched for starters is less than 7 innings. So, going from 5.5(?) innings a game to 6.5(?) isn't going to be that big a deal.Ken Reedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07134936968221887101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2676591017018865408.post-28893363479385258002015-08-21T14:07:22.843-04:002015-08-21T14:07:22.843-04:00By the way Levin have you see your boy Gardner'...By the way Levin have you see your boy Gardner's stats lately...good but not like it was before all-star breakKen Hanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08248552174229519871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2676591017018865408.post-6623173665378465482015-08-21T13:18:14.099-04:002015-08-21T13:18:14.099-04:00You're absolutely right about cherry picking s...You're absolutely right about cherry picking stats. That's why Hans and I can agree on Eovaldi and disagree on Gardner. Essentially, it comes down to opinion. I don't think he's as bad as Hans does. But I also don't think he's even one of our five best pitchers. Let alone little p anointing him the next Nolan Ryan!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05687487174545518045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2676591017018865408.post-8160328839225438102015-08-21T12:39:16.106-04:002015-08-21T12:39:16.106-04:00I did mention we can pick our different stats and ...I did mention we can pick our different stats and tell a different story, no need to check my stats. If I was comparing any two pitchers, Yankees or not, my personal go-to stats and the stats that are thought of highly in the sabermetric department are FIP, WHIP, ERA+ and WAR. <br /><br />Walks are factored into WHIP, I've never said anything other than EOVALDI NEEDS TO GO DEEPER INTO GAMES, ETC. We just factor in different stats when evaluating a player and that is okay. Daniel Burchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04212584396848733519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2676591017018865408.post-63026667476709851562015-08-21T12:26:33.703-04:002015-08-21T12:26:33.703-04:00Hold on there Sparky. Let's look at the stats ...Hold on there Sparky. Let's look at the stats of the two. I'm still with Levin on this<br /><br />First the WP has started one more game than CC at 24 starts. CC in one less game has 12 more K's for a guy who's finished. Yes a 300 pound 90-93 MPH pitcher in one less start has 112 K's to a guy who tops out at 102 the other day.<br /><br />Complete games this year. Water Pistol 0 and CC 1<br /><br />ERA you are correct Burch CC at 5.24 and WP at 4.24<br /><br />Walks. CC has 32 and WP has 40. <br /><br />Innings pitched CC again has one less start, yet the innings are almost identical CC has 135.2 and WP has 136<br /><br />CC has a lower WHIP at 142 and WP at 146<br /><br />BA against CC is 296 and the WP is 290<br /><br />So I think you need to go back and check your stats because I just pulled this off Yahoo Sports stats.Ken Hanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08248552174229519871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2676591017018865408.post-52368716238414130552015-08-21T12:20:09.486-04:002015-08-21T12:20:09.486-04:00We can all cherry pick stats that is why below I c...We can all cherry pick stats that is why below I chose seven pretty prominent stats. CC K's more batters and the hits per nine are close but Evo has the edge in H/9.Daniel Burchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04212584396848733519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2676591017018865408.post-82109585683038760152015-08-21T12:12:49.836-04:002015-08-21T12:12:49.836-04:00I just think like Levin said that his stats are co...I just think like Levin said that his stats are comparable to CC and we want to lynch his ass and send him packing. Stats are good and I am a firm believer in them. Let's look at his K stats and his innings pitched and his hits given up per inning. Those are important stats as well. If he is my number five I can live with him, but to me the most consistent starter is in the pen. Warren gives you a chance to win. Eovaldi melts down more times than not once the 5th inning hits. The other day he is cruising with no runs given up and I look at the pitch count and he has 90 plus pitches into the 6th...come on now!!Ken Hanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08248552174229519871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2676591017018865408.post-82237541650057250952015-08-21T12:10:00.158-04:002015-08-21T12:10:00.158-04:00And FYI
Eov-alving has CC beat in ERA, IP, hits a...And FYI<br /><br />Eov-alving has CC beat in ERA, IP, hits allowed, ERA+, FIP, HR/9 and a slew of other stats including WAR,. I don't see how you see the two as comparable Mr. LevinDaniel Burchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04212584396848733519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2676591017018865408.post-37978753958990342032015-08-21T12:07:41.946-04:002015-08-21T12:07:41.946-04:00You're both entitled to your opinion and I res...You're both entitled to your opinion and I respect both of your opinions just as much as I do anyone who agrees with me. Just pointing out the stat that Eovaldi has pitched better than his ERA would suggest. I'm a big stat and saber guy, can't help it. Daniel Burchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04212584396848733519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2676591017018865408.post-77523757768809185002015-08-21T12:06:32.033-04:002015-08-21T12:06:32.033-04:00You know as well as I do he needs to go later into...You know as well as I do he needs to go later into games, didn't think it needed to be said. Harvey has 18 more IP in one less start, I get it. FIP is FIP though and FYI FIP takes into account innings pitched. <br /><br />The formula is (13*HR+3*BB-2*K)/IP, plus a constant (usually around 3.2) to put it on the same scale as earned run average.Daniel Burchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04212584396848733519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2676591017018865408.post-41922086719534126872015-08-21T09:54:26.061-04:002015-08-21T09:54:26.061-04:00Initially, I was an Eovaldi supporter, and then I ...Initially, I was an Eovaldi supporter, and then I saw him pitch. I understand that he is a work in progress, but I tend to agree with Hans. Maybe not as strongly, but he's right. Compare Eovaldi's stats and they are very comparable to CC's stats. Outside of the homeruns. We all want CC out of the rotation. Why does everybody think Eovaldi is so great? He is only 25, so I'll give you guys that, but as of right now, he's just lucky. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05687487174545518045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2676591017018865408.post-66084644650017824702015-08-21T09:09:12.603-04:002015-08-21T09:09:12.603-04:00Good article but you I don't see anything in t...Good article but you I don't see anything in there about lack of going deep into the games, or not having a high K count for a 102 MPH fastball as was noted the other day, or the fact that he gives up way too many hits. See Burch we both can spin it anyway we want, and to me he is the water pistol and not worthy of 13 wins this year. My wanting you to do the unbiased comparison is that as you pointed out Harvey should never be compared to the Water Pistol. My comparison of the two was to point out that without the run support the Water Pistol wouldn't be close to double digit wins and the Dark Knight with the run support the pistol gets would have the double digit wins. As I said once and I will say it again, I have seen the one year wonders Burch as have you so before you our anyone else named Little P anoints him as the next Cy Young lets just see how this plays out. I am confident that my assessment will be vindicated once its all said and done. Ken Hanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08248552174229519871noreply@blogger.com