Thursday, July 7, 2016

Twitter Poll: My Take on Buying or Selling


The Twitter Poll went live this morning and in it I asked Yankees fans and readers of The Greedy Pinstripes if they thought the team should buy or sell and I asked why. You guys had your say and now I feel like it’s my turn to have mine and respond a bit. I touched on this a bit in the actual article as I put little responses under some of the comments but I wanted to put all my thoughts down on paper here in one nice and tidy place. Should the Yankees buy or sell at the August 1st trade deadline? Why? Here is my take on the matter for whatever it is worth.

To be completely honest before conducting that Twitter Poll I was one of the fans jumping up and down for a fire sale. I wanted a laundry list of players moved including, but not limited to, Andrew Miller, Aroldis Chapman, Nathan Eovaldi, Michael Pineda, Ivan Nova, CC Sabathia, Mark Teixeira, Carlos Beltran, Brett Gardner, Aaron Hicks and Chase Headley. Out with the old and in with the new but after conducting the poll I may be teetering towards another edge. An edge more towards the middle if that makes any sense. I want the Yankees to not only sell but I want them to buy as well. Confused? Good, keep reading.

This is a terrible comparison and analogy but it is the first one that came to mind. The Texas Rangers bought Cole Hamels at the trading deadline last season not with the hopes of making a run at the World Series in 2015, although they did make the postseason, but with the dreams of pairing him with Yu Darvish in 2017 as well. The Yankees can buy in a similar fashion but not with their eyes on 2016 or even 2017 but with their goals set towards building for 2018 and beyond.

So the Yankees sell some or all of the list above, and FYI I did not include Alex Rodriguez on it because even after his comeback tour in 2015 his contract is still unmovable, and stock up for the future but they could also buy. Again I bring you a bad comparison but this gives you an idea of what I am talking about. In no way, shape or form can I see the Rays trading a player like Matt Moore to the Yankees but he is the kind of the player the Yankees could target in any trade. A cheap, young player they can buy low on due to injuries or whatever that has a real shot at bouncing back. It also doesn’t hurt that Moore is signed pretty cheap through the 2019 season which fits the mold and goes with the plan.


So conceivably, and yes it is easier said than done, the Yankees could both buy and sell at this year’s trading deadline. It won’t be easy and it will have to be all hands on deck to make it worth but it could happen. But will it? Stay tuned. 

37 comments:

  1. Like I always said Burch you talk out of both sides of your mouth. There is no common ground here. This is not a reload. There aren't many pieces to build around. Who are you building around Headley, Castro, Gardner, McCann? Come on and take a stand for once and stand on one side of the fence instead of the middle.

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    1. I wanna know how in the hell I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth? Please enlighten me. I've said many times I want the Yankees to jump start the rebuild. Trading for a young pitcher who is cheap and controllable doesn't start that?

      Trading away veterans doesn't do that? I know you want to argue just to argue, and I know you will never see it that way, but come on. You're stretching here.

      Let's just throw names out there, realistic or not because I merely used examples in the article and did not mention who I think the Yankees could or would get. Trading for a player like Michael Pineda, remember all those years of team control he had when we traded for him?, helps a team in transition and with a rebuild? Right or wrong?

      Trading away veterans and players who are set to hit free agency with no future with the team helps a rebuild. Right or wrong?

      I'm seeing common ground. I want to sell and have wanted to sell for quite some time. I just want to do it smart. Or as smart as you can (go ahead, I gave you an easy entrance to make an "elf" comment).

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    2. You don't keep a player like Pineda if he can't grow as a player just because you control him. Do you not understand that? You keep him and Eovaldi and all you get is inconsistency is that correct or not? Nova sucks yet he keeps trotting out to the mound. I would rather see Eovaldi take the ball every 5th day, he at least has potential, Nova just sucks DFA him already. Trading for a contrable young pitcher only gives you time to control him, it doesn't mean he will progress and get better. Trade for a proven young arm.

      I dont argue to argue I argue to prove a point. You have been known numerous times to talk out of both sides of your mouth and I have called you out on it. Deny that you don't play the middle of the fence????

      Why can't you and the whinnying self proclaimed baseball maven understand this roster is flawed? I know you said in your post you're not against trading guys away, yet I'm not sure I believe you, not that it matters what any of us think.

      What tells you that this group has any chance of making it to the play in game let alone win it? Everyone on this roster should be on the block. My point and tell me please, show me where I haven't said it a 100 times from the winter till now that this roster is flawed big time and poorly constructed?

      Because I say that I have an idiot tell me I'm not a fan, how effing stupid is that comment, let alone say not to give up on Hicks no Reed I'm not speaking of you even though you're wrong on Hicks. His body of work says it all between the Twinkies and the Yanks.

      Is the elf going to sprinkle magic dust on him and bingo he becomes a player? What the heck is wrong with you guys, why is common sense so difficult for you guys to see? I agree with you that trading away players like Chapman and Beltran is a necessity, as is trading guys like McCann, Gardner, Headley, and Ellsbury if possible. Tell me Burch why can't the Yanks eat salaries like the Sox, or the Rockies or the Braves? Please enlighten me on that please?

      Patrick and I constantly said in the off that a 3.4 Billion dollar organization has no balls and he stated it today in a post and he is dead on. This team is a team that will win 7 in a row and then put an 8 game losing streak together and Daryl pointed it out that winning games now does nothing to move this organization forward. and he's right.

      You're actually going to take two steps back. This team, especially the management team needs to be replaced and we all know thats not happening. ELF ELF ELF did I make enough Elf comments for you? Lastly you're saying the team has to be smart, the problem is the guy running the trades isn't the greatest talent evaluator so I'm not sure the moves he makes are going to be that good anyway. In god we trust in the elf we pray

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    3. If we're such idiots, then why are you here? You're so smart, why not start your own blog and share the wisdom?

      Btw, I never claimed to know it all. Hell, I tell jokes at my own expense quite often. Why are you obsessed with me? Do you secretly love me?

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    4. Bryan Van Douche you are so full of your self. Where do you feel I am obsessed with you? Are you a fruit loop? I think you're an idiot, yes thats right an idiot. You think you know the game but you have to be one of the dumbest people that write a column. I thought I wasn't supposed to talk to you, yet you answer, are you obsessed with me? Dude do us all a favor and STFU.

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    5. I'm bored.

      You're a nuisance.

      There's disagreeing, and then there's being an a-hole.

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    6. There you go Burch point proven, and you said what?

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    7. I'm bored.

      You're a nuisance.

      There's disagreeing, and then there's being an a-hole.

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    8. There you go Burch point proven, and you said what?

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  2. Don't worry, Daniel. Some people can understand what you're saying. Trade guys like Chapman and Beltran for some good prospects and/or young MLB players, and at the same time try to package guys like Ben Gamel and Tyler Wade for somebody the Yankees can bank on for the future.

    However, I can't say I'm on board with your idea. Trade away some pieces (see my earlier article), then see what their replacements can do the rest of the season. Perhaps in the offseason, once you've seen what somebody like Refsnyder can do with regular playing time, look to add players via trade.

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    1. At least these posts don't fall on deaf ears. LOL.

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    2. I do agree this could be a buy and sell time. But I am one who thinks you were not clear on which side if the fence your own
      I look for Yankees to add Gourriell and Braun or Kemp. They need right hand power in their lineup. Plus have ability to play the field.

      Adding Gourriell allows for Yankees to trade Brett and or Chase. Refsynder and Romine could be dealt for a bullpen option. Beltran and Tex will be around till the end. Hard to see them breaking up the Trinity of Smoke. If they do will be for a top of the rotation starter.

      In other words addition by subtraction my be the rule at the deadline.

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    3. I wouldn't trade away Refsnyder or Romine. Even as backups, those two have value to the team for years to come (neither are FA eligible until 2020 or 2021).

      And I don't think the team could get a taker for Headley. He's a below-average player that's still owed $26 million through 2018. I suppose if the Yankees either ate a large chunk of money, or got next to nothing in return, it would work.

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    4. Ya Bryan you're just a baseball maven lol

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    5. WAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH you child

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    6. Ok Hans. Disagreeing about anything and everything is one thing, that's your God given right as a human being. Acting like a 13-year old girl who is bullying someone over Facebook because their shoes don't match their shirt is another.

      Grow up dude or go somewhere else. We've been very accepting and patient with your disagreements here and the way you put forth them but this is going a little past the line. I respectfully ask you to stop. Please and thank you.

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    7. Really Burch having someone say Im obsessed is ok? Once again the double standard. Typical you as always. Calling me a troll is ok because that came from your boy. So another words freedom of speech is not allowed on your site for some people, while others can attack that sounds about right from you.

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    8. Cry foul all you want. You bring most of this on yourself. Play the victim all you want and say what you will but we all know it's true. I try to be, keyword is try, as fair as I can here. no one will please everyone 100% of the time but I feel like you are taking my patience and willingness to leave this open for whatever because we are all adults.

      You have received more free speech than ANYONE here and if you don't agree then i don't see a need in continuing this conversation. Many times, most times in fact, I haven't said a word. You got plenty of passes, everyone gets passes. I'm easy to get along with. I just asked you to stop being a human tampon.

      And since I have to clarify each and everything I say. An example of being a human tampon is name calling (maven, VanDouche or whatever it was etc.) and adding nothing to the site in particular posts (waaaaaaaaaaaa or whatever it was).

      you have to see things from my side of the fence. I am trying to build something here. It seems to be working. We're getting more and more people here every day with more and more opinions, hopefully opinions that differ from mine. I like to debate and talk Yankees. When they see this childish stuff, and I have spoken to Bryan as well via text not that I have to justify myself to you but I will because I respect you, they are less likely to stay and comment. I feel like because of things like this the site takes one step forward and two steps back. I take that personally. I asked, I didn't demand or do anything else other than ask to tone it down a bit. I don't think that's unreasonable.

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    9. Burch I will leave you with this note. I said those things because your buddy was making accusations that I don't appreciate. You may not see it so read it a couple of times. I told you numerous times that if someone was going to attack me I would not sit idle. I make points. My points have been pretty accurate so far except for Didi. Obviously being right doesn't sit well with some and just FYI the word Maven isn't a word that ranks up there with the other four letter words, you know it means someone who thinks they know everything. I'm a maven too. Hey its your gym, your ball, your whistle and you control the environment end of story

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    10. Make your points all day long. Calling someone Bryan Van Douche is not proving a point, it's the pot calling the kettle black.

      I just think it's funny you scream that there is a lack of freedom of speech here. I suggest going to Lohud, River Ave Blues, MLB Trade Rumors, Pro Sports Daily, etc. and simply copy and paste some of the stuff you've said here (and myself, and Bryan and everyone else but you're the only one saying there is no freedom of speech) and see how long you last.

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  3. Blow it up. Because it stinks to watch them play.

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  5. Blow it up. Because its not worth paying to watch them play.

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  6. Blow it up. Because its not worth paying to watch them play.

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    1. Yankeesfirlife, tell me how your really feel

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    2. You can say that again! What a way to enter the site. Hahahaa.

      Welcome, glad to have you!

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  7. Donnie,

    I apologize if I wasn't clear. I don't think adding a 32 year old third baseman (Headley) with a 32-year old unproven third baseman (Gourriel) improves the team whatsoever. I'm talking about adding young talent that's under team control for years to come and for cheap. Adding not with the intention of competing (if that's even possible) in 2016 but 2017 and beyond.

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  8. Mr. Hans has no idea what it means to respect others and their opinions. Maybe he will get mad and leave others with more of an open mind to discuss baseball without him saying the same mantra over and over again just changing the words sometimes.

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    1. You're are correct Kip 100%

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    2. So now you're just going to bother others?

      You claim to be a guy that's in his 50s (unless you've been lying about being a fan since the 60s) but you seriously act like a bored teenager.

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    3. Glad to have another person around, Kim.

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    4. Welcome to the site Kip. We're all given the same freedom of speech and ability to express ourselves here. We're all adults, all we ask is to act like it.

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  9. Boy, Me thinks, someone was taken to the wood shed tonight.

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