Wednesday, January 17, 2018

No Need To Worry About Second Or Third Base

"To infinity 2017 and beyond!"

If the Yankees were to trade for or acquire a second or third baseman, then that person has to be for 2017 and beyond. 

With the firepower the Yankees batting lineup possesses, there's absolutely no need for a move to be made. We could have 2015 Stephen Drew at second, and 2013 Jayson Nix at third, and the team would still average over five runs a game. 

I'm not saying that if we had players that contributed as little as Drew in 2015 or Nix in 2013 in the lineup regularly I'd be ok with that. However, I don't expect to have another All Star, let alone another MVP candidate, playing those positions this season. 

Therefore, unless the Yankees acquired somebody that's clearly above average, and under team control for at least a couple more years, then there's no point.

Here's a list of such players....

Second Base
Jose Ramirez
Jonathan Schoop
Robinson Cano

Third Base
Justin Turner
Jose Ramirez
Kris Bryant
Anthony Rendon
Nolan Arenado
Joey Gallo
Alex Bregman
Travis Shaw
Nicholas Castellanos

The Yankees are not trading for any of those three second basemen. Ramirez plays for the Indians, who would be looking to add to their team... not subtract. I suppose something might be able to get done to bring back Cano, but the $24 million AAV of his contract would be a huge obstacle. Jonathan Schoop is another outside possibility, but seeing that he's in Baltimore I doubt a deal would get done. 

Although Turner, Ramirez, Bryant, Rendon, Bregman, and Shaw look to be off-limits, third base does present some possibilities. 

Joey Gallo is a bit intriguing thanks to him coming off a 41 homer campaign last season, but his batting average is pretty bad (.209). So even though he's on that list, unless the Rangers asking price for him was pretty low, I'd pass.

One name that's quite intriguing is Nolan Arenado. Arenado is right there with Manny Machado in that they're both very good players, at the same position, but the one big difference is that Nolan is not eligible for free agency until after the 2019 season. But would Colorado want to move him? While the Dodgers seem to have a firm grip on the National League West division, the Rockies certainly have their eyes on one of the Wild Card spots. Taking things a step further, the Rox also have a nice crop of starters that the Yankees could go after. But I just don't see such a big trade happening with a team that has serious postseason hopes.

There's been plenty of talk about trading for Michael Fulmer of the Detroit Tigers, but third baseman Nicholas Castellanos (he can also play right field) would be a nice target. He brings a good batting average and can hit 20+ home runs. His defense leaves some to be desired, although it's not awful by any means. Miguel Andujar and a non-Adams/Sheffield pitching prospect could probably get a deal done. But what about a trade that would bring over Castellanos and Fulmer? While that would be perfect, I'm not sure about the cost. Clint Frazier, Miguel Andujar, Chance Adams, and another lower-level pitcher? Is that too much? Probably, but I would think hard about this trade.

The way I see things when it comes to trading for a second or third baseman, it's Detroit or bust. I don't think any other player would be available without the Yankees having to blow a team away with an offer. And let's be honest, the Yankees absolutely do not need to offer a package that would blow anybody away. 

I'm going to definitely be thinking more about that Fulmer and Castellanos trade I mentioned above.


  1. I'd rather take my chances with Miguel Andujar than trade for Castellanos and his questionable defense.

  2. Ok , why are we so head bent in trading Ellsbury or Frazier.
    Dump Hicks and Jack Cave and Cessa . Take our chances with Adams and Sheffield as starters if needed Warren could always be stretched out.I think we either roll the dice with Andujar or offer him Hicks , Cessa and Adams and 72 hour to extend Machado.
    We are either all in on Andujar or not. Can not be doing his confidence any reading something every day.
    Yankees have had some clunkers we thought would be stars .
    Lets see what the kid can do , I am in favor of signing Todd Frazier to mentor and DH and 1B

    1. Ellsbury is the #5 or #6 outfielder at the moment (Judge, Stanton, Hicks, Gardner, Frazier), and gets paid WAY too much for such a spot. Take that along with the Yankees wanting to shed more payroll in order to make a move or two, and the desire to move Jacoby is obvious.

      Are you serious in thinking the Yankees could get Manny Machado for Hicks, Cessa, and Adams? Or am I reading your post wrong? I hope I'm reading it wrong, because that package is not even close to get Machado. We got Stanton for less than anyone thought, but the Yankees were also taking on $273 million.

      BTW, Hicks has little to no trade value. He had a very nice 2017, but if you think teams will ignore his previous 1289 plate appearances with an OPS+ of 77 you're in for a big disappointment. He is way more valuable to the Yankees than to another team via trade.

      I'm all for just calling it a season, at least as far as positional players go, and giving Andujar and other kids 2B and 3B.

    2. Not that I think that package would get Machado, but you have to remember that players with just one year left on their contracts never bring back a full return. Ever. Not even Machado. Again, it will take much more than that, but still.

  3. The Rockies are not loading up that bullpen and spending big money on pitching just to ship Arenado. Not happening, but I guess you already probably knew that.

  4. I'm to a point where I think we should go with what we have and see what happens. If we need to reload at the trade deadline then so be it. We still have all these bullets. If we shoot them for a want, they won't be there for a need. Things can happen during the course of a season. Young players perform better then expected, players get hurt, players underperform. Maybe Ellsbury will be more valuable to a contender that lost their centerfielder in June.

  5. If Machado wants to play for the we have been told. Then go with what we have and sign him next year...IF we need some help at 3rd base.
    Give the young players a chance to make themselves fit into the team...remember the Indians of a few years ago, they had a power hitter at every position (almost)...and never won a ring. Guys like Wade, Torreyes and Brett are invaluable...someone has to keep the line moving and be an RBI setting there for the big guys.

    Play the kids and forget all the trades that everyone keeps talking about...this is the New York Yankees...enough said!

    1. Reed I can't believe I am saying this but I couldn't agree with you more. Did anyone feel the seismic shift in the universe? I want to give Adams a shot at the rotation along with anyone else we bring to spring training

    2. Coming from you, Ken H, I thank you!
      There had to be a shift somewhere, you and I agreeing!!! LOL
      Have fun, Ken H and show up more often, I miss having you around.


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