Showing posts with label Hector Noesi. Show all posts
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Saturday, January 14, 2017

This Day in New York Yankees History 1/14: Jesus “Beast” Montero


On this day in 2012 the Yankees traded top prospect Jesus Montero along with Hector Noesi to the Seattle Mariners for pitchers Michael Pineda and Jose Campos. This deal has been a bit of a disaster for both teams until 2014 when the Yankees finally got a glimpse of their young right hander. All the while Montero showed up to Mariners camp 40 lbs. overweight and was trolled by a news reporter in a minor league dugout with an ice cream cone. Yeah, New York won this trade.


Also on this day in 1987 Yankees and Athletics ace Catfish Hunter and outfielder Billy Williams were elected to the Hall of Fame. Hunter was one of the game's first big money free agents when he signed his very lucrative deal with New York.


Finally on this day in 1970 former Yankees top relief pitcher, now known loosely as a closer, and New York Mets general manager Johnny Murphy dies of a heart attack.

Thursday, January 14, 2016

This Day in New York Yankees History 1/14: Jesus “Beast” Montero


On this day in 2012 the Yankees traded top prospect Jesus Montero along with Hector Noesi to the Seattle Mariners for pitchers Michael Pineda and Jose Campos. This deal has been a bit of a disaster for both teams until 2014 when the Yankees finally got a glimpse of their young right hander. All the while Montero showed up to Mariners camp 40 lbs. overweight and was trolled by a news reporter in a minor league dugout with an ice cream cone. Yeah, New York won this trade.


Also on this day in 1987 Yankees and Athletics ace Catfish Hunter and outfielder Billy Williams were elected to the Hall of Fame. Hunter was one of the game's first big money free agents when he signed his very lucrative deal with New York.


Finally on this day in 1970 former Yankees top relief pitcher, now known loosely as a closer, and New York Mets general manager Johnny Murphy dies of a heart attack.

Saturday, July 11, 2015

Former Yankees Update: Jesus Montero


The New York Yankees once had a barren farm system with one exception, Jesus Montero. Brian Cashman set the Yankees world on fire back in 2012 when he traded Mr. Montero to the Seattle Mariners along with RHP Hector Noesi for RHP Michael Pineda and RHP Jose Campos. While Montero has basically been in the minor leagues or suspended ever since Pineda missed two seasons with the Yankees before becoming on the verge of being the team’s ace. While Pineda was winning games in the Bronx Mr. Montero was getting suspended for not being able to take an ice cream sandwich joke down in Class-A Ball but Montero has matured since and has made his way all the way back to the Major Leagues.

Montero was called back up to the majors on Thursday after a ton of hard work and a whole lot of growing up over the past calendar year. The Mariners were set to face a trio of left handed starting pitchers before the All-Star Break and the Mariners wanted to give the right handed hitting Montero at least a few games back with the big club after hitting .332 with 15 home runs and 68 RBI in 84 Triple-A games this season. Montero was leading the Pacific Coast League in hits, runs and RBI at the time of the call up and has a true shot to reclaim some of the hype he lost after “failing” as a top prospect in the Yankees system.


Yankees uniform or not Montero, to me anyway, is a Yankee. For that reason I will continue to root for him, even if Cashman did win that trade for Pineda. 

Wednesday, January 14, 2015

This Day in New York Yankees History 1/14: Jesus “Beast” Montero


On this day in 2012 the Yankees traded top prospect Jesus Montero along with Hector Noesi to the Seattle Mariners for pitchers Michael Pineda and Jose Campos. This deal has been a bit of a disaster for both teams until 2014 when the Yankees finally got a glimpse of their young right hander. All the while Montero showed up to Mariners camp 40 lbs. overweight and was trolled by a news reporter in a minor league dugout with an ice cream cone. Yeah, New York won this trade.

Also on this day in 1987 Yankees and Athletics ace Catfish Hunter and outfielder Billy Williams were elected to the Hall of Fame. Hunter was one of the game's first big money free agents when he signed his very lucrative deal with New York.


Finally on this day in 1970 former Yankees top relief pitcher, now known loosely as a closer, and New York Mets general manager Johnny Murphy dies of a heart attack.

Friday, May 23, 2014

Game Thread: Yankees vs. White Sox 5/23


The New York Yankees and the Chicago White Sox will play the second of a four game set this weekend in Chicago tonight at US Cellular Field. The Yankees will send Hiroki Kuroda to the mound to face off with former Yankee prospect Hector Noesi. The game will be played at 8:10 pm ET and can be seen on MY9, MLB TV, and can be heard on the radio with John Sterling and Suzyn Waldman on WFAN.

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Enjoy the game Yankees family and enjoy your holiday weekend.

Preview: New York Yankees vs. Chicago White Sox 5/23


The New York Yankees and the Chicago White Sox will play the second game of their four game set this weekend at US Cellular Field. This should be an interesting game for Yankees fans as New York will send Hiroki Kuroda to the mound to face off with former Yankee farm hand Hector Noesi. The game will be played at 8:10 pm ET and can be see on MY9, MLB TV, and can be heard on the radio with WFAN.

Kuroda picked up another victory in his last outing against the Pittsburgh Pirates and has pitched much better since the Yankees stopped shifting behind him. Kuroda held the Pirates to three runs in six innings and has logged a quality start in three of his four starts this month. Keep the line moving tonight #HIROK.

Noesi is facing his former team after being traded to the Seattle Mariners in the Michael Pineda and Jesus Montero trade. Noesi has been designated for assignment twice this season, once by Seattle and once by Texas, and has a 0-4 record this season. Noesi allowed five runs in six innings against the Houston Astros in a 6-5 loss.

Go Yankees!!

Saturday, April 26, 2014

Jose Campos To Have Tommy John Surgery


And another one down, and another one down, another Yankees pitcher bites the dust. The Yankees announced that Jose Campos underwent undergo Tommy John surgery and it will end his 2014 season. The official line was elbow inflammation but with Campos going under the knife yesterday and none of us knowing it goes to show you that you cannot believe everything you read on the internet, unless you read it here of course.

Campos missed much of the 2012 season with a stress fracture in his elbow and will now miss all of 2014 and some of 2015. Campos did not pitch much at all this spring which leads you to believe that the elbow problem has been around longer then we have been told.

And it's official, the Michael Pineda and Camp for Jesus Montero and Hector Noesi trade is officially cursed.

Friday, April 4, 2014

NYY Continue To Win The Montero/Pineda Trade


Just a quick hit before Masahiro Tanaka makes his Major League debut:

The New York Yankees continue to win the Jesus Montero and Hector Noesi for Jose Campos and Michael Pineda trade with the news that Noesi was designated for assignment by the Seattle Mariners this afternoon. Noesi was showcased as a back end of the rotation starting pitcher but was being used in Seattle as a long reliever, and now is likely to be out of a job at least temporarily.


Thursday, March 20, 2014

Ready To Announce A Winner In The Pineda Trade Yet?


Honestly I think this may go on for at least three or four more seasons before we have a true and concise answer to this question but do we have a winner in the Jesus Montero and Hector Noesi for Michael Pineda and Jose Campos trade yet? We had a very lengthy discussion on twitter yesterday afternoon about it and it got me wondering if I am wrong and stubborn or just following the wrong crowd. Have the Yankees not won this trade yet?

The way I see it, and again this is just my opinion, the Yankees got a pitcher for six years of team control that threw in the upper 90's who had proven he could win in the Major Leagues and the American League. The Yankees also got a guy in Campos that easily slotted in as one of their best, if not their best, pitching prospect in all the system. The Mariners got a guy without a position, a home run or strike out bat, a guy with declining and very questionable defense, a guy who was already being called lazy, a guy with a bad attitude, a guy benched for his attitude and work ethic, and a guy who would lose his one redeeming factor, his power, in his new stadium in Montero. Brian Cashman hyped the hell out of Noesi before the trade happened and the Mariners bought into it, whoops.

I realize Pineda came into camp fat and uninterested in 2012 and Campos has been hurt and non existent, I get it, but has Montero not come into camp fat and uninterested? Has Montero given the Mariners much more than the Yankees have gotten out of Pineda? You also have to keep in mind that the Yankees babied Pineda last season and pushed him back, that should not go against Pineda whatsoever. Campos has been injured but still has his entire career ahead of him, as does Pineda, where Noesi is probably cleaning toilets somewhere by now. Montero is delegated to AAA first basemen or DH and cannot even crack an offensively anemic team's 25 man roster, especially desperate for right handed hitting and power hitters, which speaks volumes to me.

The Yankees didn't "rape", a term I have seen thrown around describing a one sided trade, the Mariners and honestly it may still be too early to tell but if history and this spring training is any indicator the Yankees got the better end of this deal. Pineda has a ton of upside and has four years of team control left and the sky is the limit for Campos while Montero will always remember his curtain call at Yankee Stadium and Noesi will bag groceries for a living. I'm kidding obviously, but not by much.

Tuesday, January 14, 2014

This Day In New York Yankees History 1/14


On this day in 1970 former Yankees top relief pitcher, now known loosely as a closer, and New York Mets general manager Johnny Murphy dies of a heart attack.


On this day in 1987 Yankees and Athletics ace Catfish Hunter and outfielder Billy Williams were elected to the Hall of Fame. Hunter was one of the game's first big money free agents when he signed his very lucrative deal with New York.


On this day in 2012 the Yankees traded top prospect Jesus Montero along with Hector Noesi to the Seattle Mariners for  pitchers Michael Pineda and Jose Campos. This deal has been a bit of a disaster for both teams but Pineda is only 24 years old and Montero is being worked as a first basemen and a DH in the minor leagues.

Thursday, May 23, 2013

Former Yankees Update Jesus Montero


Hey remember that Jesus Montero guy that was going to be the savior to the Yankees offense only to be traded to Seattle about a year and a half ago? Well this disaster of a trade continues to get more and more like a train wreck today when the Seattle Mariners sent down Jesus Montero to their AAA team. Jesus was only batting .208/.264/.327 making him one of the worst offensive catchers in all of baseball. Just as a side not his defense and framing skills were never much to write home about so when the offense struggles you can understand the demotion. It is worth noting that their #1 catcher Mike Zunino is also in AAA so either Montero will have to be a back up to Mike or he will have to learn a new position like first base or be a designated hitter. Either way the Yankees took a small step in "winning" this trade today with Michael Pineda coming back strong, Jose Campos back healthy,and Hector Noesi and Montero struggling.

Thursday, May 16, 2013

Game Thread SEA vs. NYY 5/16


The Yankees got clobbered last night and blown out off the field but the beautiful thing about baseball is tonight is a new night. The Yankees have Andy Pettitte on the mound tonight looking to start a new winning streak as he faces off with former Yankees prospect Hector Noesi. Use this thread to chat during the game or head over to twitter and give @GreedyStripes a follow and tweet with us there all season long. 

Here is the Yankees lineup

Brett Gardner CF
Jayson Nix SS
Robinson Cano 2B
Vernon Wells LF
Lyle Overbay 1B
Curtis Granderson DH
David Adams 3B
Ichiro Suzuki RF
Chris Stewart C

News For Prospect Huggers

A couple bits of news...

1. Dellin Betances has been called up to take Brett Marshall's spot on the roster. This move is surely in response to Marshall throwing 5.2 innings yesterday, and likely being unavailable for a while. I'm sure people are intrigued by this move, but they shouldn't be excited. Dellin currently has an ERA of 5.40 in 8 AAA appearances this season, as he hasn't been able to control his pitches.

2. Aaron Harang has been scratched from tonight's start due to having a stiff lower back. Prospect huggers will be happy to know that in his place the Mariners will start Hector Noesi, who was part of the big Montero/Pineda trade last year. Noesi has appeared in 4 games this season, all as a reliever. As a starter in his MLB career, Hector's ERA is 6.40.

Sunday, May 13, 2012

Early Returns on Trades



Pineda only looks like he's in pain, as thankfully it was just gas.

I was doing pretty good at ignoring the Montero/Noesi for Pineda/Campos trade, but the series with the Mariners this weekend brought it back into the front of my mind. It didn't help that Jesus Montero hit a home run in the first game Friday night, while the Yankees would be facing Hector Noesi in Game 2 on Saturday. My first reaction was to point out what the Yankee designated hitters had done compared to Jesus, while also pointing out Russell Martin's caught stealing percentage of 27% to Montero's 11%. But before I could even look at the numbers Noesi has put up so far in 2012, I decided to drop it.

"If he mentions my slash-line of .179/.303/.310 I will throw this ball at him"

A trip to one of the many Yankee forums I'm a part of changed that quickly. However, I decided to look at the trade a little differently. People are already judging that trade based on very early returns from the players, or lack thereof in the case of Pineda and Campos. So, after looking around at some bad trades over the years in MLB, I made this list...

  • In August of 1987 the Detroit Tigers received Doyle Alexander from the Atlanta Braves for minor league pitcher John Smoltz. In 16 starts for the Braves after the trade that season, Alexander went 9-0 with an ERA of 1.53. While John Smoltz wasn't called up to MLB until July 23rd of the following season, in which he had an ERA of 5.48 and WHIP of 1.672 in 12 starts. 
  • During the 1988 season the Boston Red Sox were looking for pitching help, and struck up a deal with the Baltimore Orioles on July 29th. The Os sent Mike Boddicker, who had an ERA of 3.73 over 180 starts, to Boston for prospects Curt Schilling and Brady Anderson. Boddicker threw 89 innings and started 14 games for the Red Sox after the deal that season, with an ERA of 2.63. Baltimore called up Schilling in early September, and Curt put up a big 9.82 ERA in his 4 starts that season. While Brady Anderson played 53 games for the Orioles in '88, hitting a sad .198/.232/.271. 
  • The Yankees traded Jay Buhner to the Seattle Mariners in July of 1988, and got Ken Phelps in return. Phelps had put up a line of .249/.392/.521 in 529 games for Seattle before being dealt, so it looked like New York was getting a fine hitter. Although Ken wasn't quite as good, he was able to give the Bombers a .224/.339/.551 triple-slash in his first 86 games. On the other side of the deal was Jay Buhner, who in his first 60 games for the Mariners hit .224/.320/.458. 
  • The date was August 30th, 1990. The Boston Red Sox were in the hunt to win the AL East, and were looking for some relief help. So they traded prospect Jeff Bagwell to the Houston Astros for reliever Larry Anderson. Anderson pitched really well for the Red Sox, giving them an ERA of 1.23 over 15 appearances, helping them win the division by 2 games over the Toronto Blue Jays (don't ask how the Yankees finished that season). That happened while Bagwell didn't debut in MLB until the next season.
  • Just prior to the trade deadline in 2002, the Cleveland Indians traded Bartolo Colon to the Montrol Expos for Grady Sizemore, Brandon Phillips, and Cliff Lee. After the deal Colon went 10-4 for the Expos, with an ERA of 3.31. Bartolo actually finished 6th in NL Cy Young Award voting. As for the other side of the trade, in 2002 Grady Sizemore was still in the minors, Cliff Lee didn't get called up until September 15th, and Brandon Phillips didn't get promoted to the bigs until September 13th. Sizemore was still in the minors the next season, while Lee had only started 9 games with an ERA of 3.61, and Phillips had a triple-slash of .208/.242/.311 in 112 games. 

Little-known fact... Cleveland agreed to pay for all of Colon's lunches the rest of the 2002 season, which consisted of a dozen hamburgers a day.

After reading that list, do I really need to come up with more reasons for people to be patient?

Saturday, May 12, 2012

Mariners @ Yankees 5/12/12

UPDATE:

Raul Ibanez keeps on keeping on when hitting at Yankee Stadium adding an RBI double in the first to give the Yanks a quick 1-0 lead. He then scored later in the inning after a Russell Martin double making it 2-0 Yanks. Jayson Nix broke the game out in the same inning, hitting a two run home run, making it a four run 2nd inning and a 4-0 Yankees lead after 2 innings.

Raul Ibanez added another home run in the bottom of the 4th to make it 5-0 Yankees. 

Phil Hughes had 6 2/3 shut out innings pitched for the Yanks before Mike Carp hit a solo shot in the top of the 7th inning. 


Yankees win 6-2



Stand Tall... and Win


Updates will be sporadic today as I've got a full slate of family filled activities to do this weekend with the family. With that said...

The Mariners will come to the stadium again today and we will see another return of a former Yankee, Hector Noesi, as he faces off against Phil Hughes today at 4:00 pm ET. The game will be televised on YES.

Will update later with lineups.

Wednesday, March 21, 2012

The Yankees Can't Lose

Future ace?

For a while people have been saying that you can't grade the trade of Jesus Montero & Hector Noesi for Michael Pineda & Jose Campos for many years, and I have been agreeing with that assessment. Until we see what each player has to offer MLB, then there's no way to know one way or another that the trade was good or bad. But maybe that's not true.

I've been having a discussion/argument with Greg from Evil Empire Prospects and Bronx Baseball Daily about the trade. He believes that if Montero turns into the perennial all-star that many believe he will be, and Noesi turns into an ace, that the Yankees lost the deal. It won't matter if both Pineda and Campos are aces for the Yankees, because the Bombers would have lost something that they really don't have in the minor leagues right now... an incredible hitting prospect, that could lead the middle of their order for many, many, years. His point is that the Yanks already have CC as the ace of the staff, an excellent pitching prospect in Manny Banuelos, and many more B+ pitching prospects in guys like Dellin Betances, Adam Warren, DJ Mitchell, and David Phelps. And the team simply doesn't need that many aces to succeed (look at the Cardinals' pitching rotation versus the Phillies' pitching rotation).

It's hard to disagree with that logic. However I've been pointing out that it's better to buy hitters than pitchers, and the Yankees have plenty to buy with. Combine that with an awesome young pitching staff and the team can be incredible successful for years. But today I hit upon something that I wanted to share...

The trade simply can not be called a bad trade. Bad trades, to me, are those that damage a team's ability to win. Look at the damage Omar Minaya did to the Expos/Nationals by dealing away Grady Sizemore, Brandon Phillips, and Cliff Lee for Bartolo Colon. That's a bad trade (if any Indians fans are reading this I apologize for making you cry over this again). But the Yankees will continue to have one of the best offenses in the game, and they will continue to be able to acquire top pitching. So even if Montero and Noesi are future HOFers, while Pineda and Campos are future journeymen in MLB, it won't make a lick of difference. The Yankees will still be winning, and will simply look back on this trade and think "damn, that sucked, but we don't have time to dwell on that because we're gearing up for the postseason again".

Sunday, January 15, 2012

The Already Forgotten Two

Breaking news... The Yankees traded C and #1 prospect to the Seattle Mariners for RHP Michael Pineda. Did anyone else just hear about this? No? Ok enough with the sarcasm. Wait... we got Kuroda too? Ok seriously this time.

Now I personally like to think of myself as a knowledgeable kind of guy when it comes to the Yankees prospects. I have even been referred to as a "prospect" humper in some circles on the forum that I am a member of, Daily Sports Pages. Just because I have a thread for almost every prospect that I constantly update and just because I don't really want to trade ANY of the prospects that are actually worth trading does this really make me a prospect humper? Maybe... but I digress.

There were apparently two other players involved in the Montero for Pineda swap. One was Yankees RHP Hector Noesi and the other was Seattle's RHP Jose Campos. I personally think that the Montero for Pineda trade was an equal trade, an oddity in major league baseball. The Yankees needed pitching and got a great power pitcher that misses a lot of bats at age 23 and under 5 years team control. The Mariners got a young, cheap, impact hitter that they needed at a premium position. The way the Yankees win this trade, in my prospect humping opinion, is with the "forgotten" two in this trade.

At the beginning of the offseason we heard a lot of talk about patience from Brian Cashman. Wrapped up in that talk was Cashman's willingness to ONLY use Noesi as a starter this season followed by great claims and comparisons to Noesi being "this year's Ivan Nova." I think a lot of us got excited to think we had another potentially young and dominant young starter to come from our minor league system. The rest of us called "bull" and waited anxiously to see what kind of trade that Brian Cashman was working on while he was trying to build up Noesi's trade value. Obviously those of us waited to see a Winter and GM Meetings trade, not a trade in the middle of January, but hey we have to take it when it comes, right?

Hector Noesi was not bad for us by any means, and Jose Campos is only 19 years old and in A ball so its not like we will be seeing dividends from him any time soon, but I still think the Yankees pulled one out of their hats with this trade. Again, Noesi was not bad for us by any means but he wasn't exactly special either. On a crowded 40 man roster including DJ Mitchell, David Phelps, Dellin Betances, George Kontos, and recent Rule 5 draft picks Brad Meyers and Cesar Cabral, Hector Noesi simply became replaceable. Not to mention that we had 6 pitchers for 5 spots competing down in Scranton for the AAA rotation including Adam Warren, Phelps, Mitchell, Noesi, Betances, and Manny Banuelos. It is tough to judge Noesi by his 56 innings in the majors but he is 24 years old and will be 25 when the season starts. Noesi misses enough bats to be successful with 7 K's per 9 IP last season, again with a small sample size. Matching that with 3.5 walks per 9IP doesn't look good and neither does a .331 BABIP. He does have a 40% ground ball rate but a 10% HR/FB rate and neither of them are actually very good. This will all be better when he goes from a hitters park in the Bronx to a pitchers park in Seattle's Safeco. That is why you see pitchers who throw sinker balls like Chein Ming Wang and Ivan Nova, to name a few, be so successful in New York. Noesi's stuff does not mesh well with the stadium he has been pitching in. Not to mention that the Yankees already have 3 more Hector Noesi's already in AAA just waiting and rotting.

Now, on to Jose Campos. I personally, and a lot of my twitter followers, are already putting Campos at #5 on our prospect list in between NYPL OF Mason Williams and GCL 3B Dante Bichette Jr. Jose Campos is 19 years old and is the very definition of a power pitcher. Campos is an extreme strike thrower with an above average fastball touching 95 mph. To go with that he has an inconsistent, but above average slider. Campos showed this season that his hard curveball and changeup show flashes of becoming "plus pitches." Count them... Plus Plus fastball with nice angle, deception, and life. Plus Plus slider, and potentially a plus curve and changeup usually equals a fantastic top of the line starting pitcher. He has yet to pitch a full season yet so he is 3-5 years away but has more upside and potential then any current Yankees minor league pitcher not donned with the nickname "Killer B." Jose Campos has a nice frame for such a power pitcher coming in at 6'4" and 195 lbs. Naturally you worry about repeating his delivery and injuries at that size , and they are legit concerns with ANY young pitcher, but that is just what they are at this point... concerns. Nothing concrete to back any of them up yet so that is encouraging.

The biggest concern in the Montero for Pineda trade was that we have plenty of Noesi's but no more Montero's currently in our system, which is true. We don't have any Jose Campos in our system in my opinion either. Dellin Betances struggles too much with his fastball command, although making up for it with his high strike out numbers, to be considered what Campos could be. Manny Banuelos is there with Campos in projections and ceilings but I did not include him because he is left handed. Jose Campos, if he reaches his potential, will be much better then Hector Noesi. To go out on a limb he could be much better then Ivan Nova for that matter. To reiterate, we have 3 more Hector Noesi's JUST in AAA but we don't have ANY Jose Campos in Low A Charleston where he looks like he is going, and we don't have ANY Jose Campos in High A, and we don't have ANY Jose Campos in AA, and we don't look like we will have ANY Jose Campos in AAA when he gets there. When Campos is expected to reach the majors we wont have Jesus Montero, and we presumably wouldn't have had Hector Noesi.... but we will still have Michael Pineda under team control... for cheap.

Friday, January 13, 2012

Montero & Noesi Traded For Pineda & Campos

According to MLBTR

The Yankees have traded Jesus Montero and Hector Noesi to the Seattle Mariners for Jose Campo and Michael Pineda. Here is there write up:


Mariners, Yankees Swap Pineda For MonteroBy Mark Polishuk [January 13, 2012 at 6:51pm CST]
6:51pm: The deal is Pineda and Jose Campos for Montero and Hector Noesi, a source tellsMLB.com's Greg Johns (Twitter link).
6:43pm: The Mariners and Yankees have agreed to a trade that will send Michael Pineda to the Bronx in exchange for Jesus Montero, reports Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com.  The trade involves more than just those two players, Heyman adds (both links via Twitter).

This obviously ends all talks and speculations with Roy Oswalt, Hiroki Kuroda, Edwin Jackson, Bartolo Colon, and all the other rental starting pitchers the Yankees have either been linked to or expressed interest in.

Express your content for finally having that #2 starter or your discontent for giving up on the biggest prospect we have had come through our system in a long time HERE

There is bound to be a LOT of people that feel strongly for this trade either way. I would love to hear your reaction.